tosh · 33 replies
zkmon · 7 replies
Time, quiet mind, slow mornings, rest without guilt, calm and boring days - are all the same thing - escape from being busy. This assumes being busy is common, which is actually not that common for an age of 60+.

The real luxury, for any age, in general, is in not having dependencies and needs. The need to impress someone, the need to know every ugly news from around globe, the need to read everything and be knowledgeable, need to stay connected, need to be smart, the need to travel and see places, need to taste foods from around the world, need to have many friends, need to be loved by someone, and need to have more money and things.

Those are dependencies that make you weak. Lack of those means you won't be happy. Luxury is being happy without having any of those.

mathgeek ·
> The real luxury, for any age, in general, is in not having dependencies and needs.

Fewer. Everyone will always have some dependencies and needs.

Personally, I pity anyone who sees a desire to be loved as a weakness. That’s quite literally a lesson taught as a trope about being a good person vs an evil one.

cejast ·
I have to regularly travel to rural villages in Asia and the people that live in these places have only the most basic human desires. They barely know what an LLM is let alone interact with them. They're some of the happiest people I've ever met.

Of course they'll complain about work or money, and they assume that a Western salary buys me freedom. But they get to live through these luxuries on a daily basis. I'd be lucky to enjoy just one of these in any given week.

j45 ·
Nicely said.

Having dependencies or needs is one thing, having them managed for relative minimal impact on one's time might be another way to look at it for some.

mrec ·
Beautifully put, and definitely resonated with me as someone who entered mostly-contentedly-frugal retirement a few years back.

One thing you didn't mention is the need to feel useful in some way; would you consider that a weakness too? Is it covered by "rest without guilt"? It's the bit I still have some trouble with.

anon3949494 ·
I agree with the gist what you're saying, like ditching the ego, the status chasing, etc. But dragging stuff like staying connected, being knowledgable, enjoying good food, and travel is where this goes a bit too far. A rock has zero dependencies, but nobody wants to be a rock.
polpenn ·
I agree with some of what you listed here but a few I think are critical to being human. What's the point of not having needs?

Desires are what makes us human. I have kids and family and friends that love me and them in return but I don't believe that makes me weak. In fact it is the opposite, they give me the strength, confidence, and motivation to power through life.

I supoose not having any needs and desires would be an asset for a hitman.

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mck- ·
Brad Feld was the only mentor (out of ~100 we met) during our TechStars Chicago ‘15 program who had sessions with the CEOs of the cohort and told us to take a break each day to call our significant others.

He gave us perspective when all of us were focused on hustling for demo day and raising our seed round. He reminded us that amid the hustle, there’s more to life than your startup. Thank you.

Multiplayer · 3 replies
Time with my young adult children. They are all out of the house, recently, and there is nothing, and I mean NOTHING more valuable/meaningful to us than when they come home for a visit or we spend time out in the world.

It's incredible.

ivolimmen ·
I lived a short time in my 20s with friends a few blocks from my parents. When I returned to live with my parents for a short period the entire dynamic changed. You leave the house so you don't go to your room, you visit. I started talking more and listening to music with them. I really appreciated my parents more. I hope my relationship with my children will be the same.
thousand_nights ·
this is nice to know as someone who is the adult child.

i used to argue a lot with my parents when i was still living with them, but ever since i moved out and we only see each other once every few months, our relationship has improved so much, and we're always happy to see each other in smaller doses

nutjob2 ·
I never enjoyed spending time with my late parents. I only did so out of a sense of obligation. I have no children and have never really given that choice a second thought.

Its interesting that people value their relationship with their children so much and I assume its due to a deep sense of connection with them, they being "flesh and blood" but I've never given that any weight. I feel much more connected to people who have had similar life experiences and ideas to myself, and that could be anyone. I have quite a few relatives who I've never met or met once and do not see because they are nothing like me.

I suspect this is mostly due to being pretty far out on the pointy bits of various bell curves.

SA9G ·
Health is obviously first, you have nothing without it. But real joy is wanting to do something, something that is important to you, and being able to. Without desire there is no joy... just a slow countdown.
mmaunder · 3 replies
Health determines the quality and quantity of time, so put that at the top above all else.
tapland ·
Health is a slope, but it makes things much easier. I've had health issues forever, but it's the kind that is fine until you suddenly start getting ill and the surgury and missing school/uni/work for 6 months which really screws things up.

I'd take that any day over getting rheumatoid arthritis, no matter how well managed it can be.

nuancebydefault ·
I would put love above health. Suppose you are perfectly healthy and even rich but have no friends to share anything with, life must be meaningless then.
stackghost ·
As with many things, it's easier to stay healthy if you are wealthy.

You can buy personal training services, workout gear, a home in traffic-calmed neighborhoods where you aren't jogging or cycling along rural highways, a pool, etc.

You can buy fresh fruit and vegetables instead of highly-processed food. If you're American you can buy imported or certified organic meat instead of the hormone-filled shit on the shelves at grocery stores. You can spend less time working and more time cooking healthy, with no pressure to eat fast food because you're in a rush.

Money really does buy happiness.

smokel ·
Time seems to be one of the most valuable luxuries. AFAIK it is not entirely clear why time seems to pass faster when one grows older. One argument is that the older brain does not form memories as intricate as in the younger brain.

Has anyone experimented with actively making more complex memories to make time pass slower? Seems like the best approach to living longer, at least in experience.

dogscatstrees ·
A clean place to live with minimal clutter opens room for time to enjoy other things. Labor Day and Memorial day are milestones for assessing your hoarding. Or you could just rely on the season change as a reminder.
jleyank ·
As others have said in-thread and elsewhere: work to live, don't live for work. Yes, be professional and exceed expectations from time to time, but your in-basket will be full when you exit. Take time as the years progress to do "other things", as the physical abilities or people involved might not be there "later".
kekqqq ·
The older I am, the more I appreciate slow days over the weekend, cooking, reading, and just appreciating small things at a slow pace with my gf.
kilbuz ·
Agree with all , but I am not ashamed to admit that some material goods bring me immense pleasure, especially mechanical watches and vintage cars.
jmspring ·
The school year, across the US used to be labor day to Memorial Day. No longer the case. My step daughter’s former district started at the beginning of August, her freshman year of college last weekend.

At least here in the states, districts because they pay teachers shit, are getting pushback to add required meetings and learning on the end of the day. Instead there are “short days” for the kids.

It’s no longer an issue for me, but seriously annoying how little k-12 are actually in school these days.

blfr ·
Slow mornings and rest without guilt are very apt and specific but time and health are just general wishes.

I would add work with meaning and flow.

Also life with few... snags, all the issues that are small but extremely bothersome (knocking sound in a car, that one window that doesn't close fully, etc).

markus_zhang ·
Mine:

- Good health

- A calling (something I can devote my life to)

I think getting either is good enough for me.

DenisM ·
In very broad strokes, it seems that Europeans on the average have much more of these things than Americans.

Are they noticeable happier?

Would be nice to hear from someone who lived both sides of the pond for a long while.

wewewedxfgdf ·
Rich people never mention money in such lists.
Liftyee ·
True. Money is just an instrumental goal. I was thinking about how some have 1000x more money but not 1000x more happiness. Enjoyment doesn't scale.
megadragon9 ·
this makes me wonder, does having kids change the list of things on your list? and why?
c-smile ·
I would add there _creativity_ in the sense of creation. And joy of it.
ElijahLynn ·
0. Money (home, food, security)
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tobi_bsf ·
Im only 45, but this is very true.
bix6 ·
13. Time in nature
howunfortunate ·
I wonder if the author has these things in abundance, or wants to have them.

While they sound incredible to me, I can't help but ponder that the demographic with the highest suicide rate is retired men.

malux85 ·
40.

The luxuries I am grateful for:

Sleeping in as much as I need

Working on something meaningful that pushes at the edge of my self actualization

Not ever having to worry about bills

The love from my partner

Having the ability to help others selflessly

The wisdom I have gained over the last 20 years of life

The incredible people around me

Detrytus ·
The cynic in me thinks: most of the things on that list are most easily acquired if you have money.
XorNot ·
I've said it before and I'll keep saying it: indoor plumbing, and a nice clean bathroom to use it with.

That is a luxury not everyone gets even today.

ElProlactin ·
Venture capitalist discovers importance of time, health, relationships, sleep and travel in his 60s. News at 10.
chasing ·
Yup, time and freedom. The true luxuries. And a subset of freedom: The freedom to work on projects that excite you with people you like.
htl ·
Thank your nice
dude250711 ·
> Ability to travel

I choose: ability not to travel (commute).

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cynicalsecurity ·
Good luck enjoying a slow morning without a job. So much free time, so much joy. Old people give the most ridiculous and unsolicited advice.